Ive started this thread because id like to collect the available information about modding the hd580600650 series. And its the word that follows other, rather, less, and more. Just wondering if anyone knows if theres any difference between them. It is subtle, but with the pair i ab tested there was a clear difference making the hd650 more to my liking. The damping material appears to be a very similar metal mesh, but the hd 650 mesh looks slightly finer than the hd 600. No deep rumbles on an impressive level but still quite audible. Essentially, both use a magnetic field around a conductor to drive the diaphragm, but a planar magnetic driver requires more magnets, and needs those magnets on both sides of the diaphragm. I am now quoting my original insight regarding the debate that the new silver metal acoustic mesh version sounds different to the old black acoustic silk version. Just looking on amazon and their box is grey, is theirs an old version then.
To my ears the hd650 is more detailed than the hd600. Little technology, a chip can switch between two sets of processor cores to maximize performance and battery life. Sennheiser hd 660 s hires audiophile open back headphone. So yeah i would say there is definitely an audible difference after the initial 100 hours or so of use. The sennheiser hd650 the classic and refined reference. The current silver driver, black box 2014 version is basically a slightly dark hd 600. Then sennheiser introduced the hd 580 and everybody that cared. This second asynchronous transfer eliminates any traces of jitter that accumulate as the data is transferred between the usb and conversion subsystems. The one bad point that i have is that they dont come with a carry case but if you are not planning on going out then this isn t a. I dont exactly know what the differences are between the hd600 and hd650 drivers outside of a slightly different fr, but it does seem like that the hd650 driver is better damped, more controlled, more refined. Ive encountered are always darker sounding than the silvers. I think it isnt wrong to think that you should compensate the hd650s treble rolloff with silver but that simply isnt the case. What is the difference between hd 650 early 20 silver drivers late.
The new version has a white silver metalic material extending out from the center of the grill towards the outer edges. The hd800 and hd650 and to an extent hd600 are completely different headphones. Theyre more similar than different now but the hd 600 has a more. Sennheiser hd 650 high quality headphones around ear. Reading this thread brings back my lust for a real headphone amp. Why sennheiser hd 650 is a bargain for what it offers. It has been many years since the first sennheiser hd 650 was launched back in 2003. Sennheiser hd650 new silver driver, new pads version extends subbass and removes slight midbass hump.
What are the substantial differences among the sennheiser. Sennheiser hd 650 headphones have a highquality titaniumsilver finish. Currently, im rediscovering my sennheiser hd650s and hd580s. Apparently sometime ago sennheiser quietly changed the drivers on the hd650, hd600, and hd580 models. The hd650 just needs good copper to bring out the best of its bass as the. For example, when playing a game the more powerful cores will be used to increase performance, whereas checking email will use the less powerful cores to maximize battery life. Sound quality wise the hd600 and hd650 are arguably on a par. The hd600 supposedly have better acoustics and tighter driver matching than the hd580. Qualcomm snapdragon 625 vs qualcomm snapdragon 650.
The contents of the buffer are then asynchronously transferred to the da conversion subsystem. Some people hear the difference between the black acoustic silk and the silver metal. I have hd6xx and the later hd650 with silver screensdifferent fr from older ones. This will get you a better dac as the lx is better then the regular.
Sennheiser hd650 the classic beauty in a grey dress. The sennheiser hd 650 and the sennheiser hd 660 s are very similar headphones. In another article learn the difference between affect and effect i commented that i almost never see the words affect and effect used correctly. But when the wa2 makes the hd650 more defined, the hd600 gets more of a hollow sound than with the v200. Their build is almost identical and their sound profile is practically the same as well. Is there a perceivable difference when comparing the old grey box 650s vs the newer ones. The silver driver retuning is not that veiled anymore. Also, to op, the hd650 are great and much better than the bd dt880s which i auditioned as well. According to certain posts from a forum its been stated that the recent hd650 does not sound the same as the earlier generations of hd650.
I own lcd2s and find them brighter, more detailed than the hd650s. The very important sennheiser hd 580, hd 600, and hd 650. The sapphire 930 is a basic computerized sewing machine. This hd650 thus has audibly less output and sounds darker than the hd650s i heard and measured before. In fact, misuse of these words is so common that i have come to believe that most people no longer have a clue about. The sennheiser hd650 the classic and refined reference class headphone my first sennheiser experience was the hd280professional. That carbonfiber, veiled sounding, tank of a headphone that is the hd650 will reign forever as a bar to which all headphones must still be measured.
Does anyone have a good synopsis of the changes made to the hd650 over time. This as you would expect from us is an epic post so grab a coffee before you start and see. It has everything a home sewer who loves machine quilter will need, and the msrp is more reachable than many in its class. For headphones with such unusually large drivers, the hd650s are surprisingly comfortable, due to headband design and circumaural drivers with soft velour ear cushions. Inshort, the homework has been done on each headphone type we have a module for and once you take a listen to a properly corrected headphone, you will have a hard time ever listening to. Its interesting because this driver change may have happened as early as 2007, and this explains the different impressions from people who have heard the hd650, hd600, or the hd580. Buy sennheiser hd 650 open back professional headphone. Than is the word to choose in phrases like smaller than, smoother than, and further than. For headphones with such unusually large drivers, the hd650s are surprisingly. Sennheiser hd598 vs hd600 vs hd650 which one to buy. The hd 650 dont feel as tight as the hd 660 s do, which could be more comfortable for most people. The version i have here is the hd 599se which is an amazon exclusive version of the hd 599 with an allblack with silver accents colour scheme versus the standard sennheiser version which has an ivory and brown colour scheme.
The 600s definitely have more upper midrange and lower treble presence, but rizkis hd650 wasnt all that dark and i could have easily lived with it. Newer hd 650s measure much closer to new hd 600s both of which come with the newer pads than the original black driver hd 650 versus hd 600 with new pads. That did not happen until the hd800 was released and suddenly there was a clear separation plenty do appear split between the hd600 and hd650. Below the frequency response of the hd650 left, right 2017 version. For comparison, i find the sennheiser hd 429 fits nicely. The husqvarnaviking sapphire 960q and the husqvarnaviking sapphire 930 are probably my two favorite vikings.
Im hoping that the hd650 mod will deliver more true detail rather than faux detail. The way to keep the pair straight is to focus on this basic difference. After i eqd 20hz and 40hz up about 3db i dont use my dt 990s anymore. Comparing the husqvarnaviking sapphire 960q and 930. But despite its decadeold design, it is still considered as one of the best headphones in the world in its price range or any price range, for that matter. Im sure theres a few things better about the hd650, but to. Sennheiser hd 650 open back professional headphone renewed 4. Sennheiser hd 650 vs sennheiser hd 660 s sidebyside. The silver driver is a superior driver with a quicker, more hifi sound. After that, i proceed to say i am planning to buy something that could possibly be even better than my actual setup. Sennheiser hd650, 600, and 580 updated drivers headfonia. Fuller sounding version of hd600 sennheiser hd 580 600 similar to hd650 but less midbass hump and because of this sound brighter.
Less, even, than the hd700, which makes do with a less sophisticated driver. Some of the people who have suggested the mod are people who know the difference between true detail and faux detail. Then theres the supposed differences between black driver and more recent silver driver 650s. Benchmark dac3 hgc digital to analog audio converter.
After reading this post, you shouldnt have any trouble when choosing than or then. I will say that there is far less difference between the hd600 and hd650 than what i was expecting and what i remembered from my early comparisons a few years ago. A lot of people have been clamoring for sennheiser to release a true upgrade for the hd650 and thus far it hasnt happened. It has better bass extension than dynamic drivers and is easier to drive than. Silver never went well with the hd650 to begin with. A bit leaner in the subbass then hd650, eq does wonders sennheiser hd 660s. A bit leaner in the subbass then hd650, eq does wonders.
When first introduced sennheiser touted an aluminium voice coil and improved diaphragm material for the hd 650. Upon inspecting the current hd 650 and hd 600 driver and baffle plate assembly i found them to be very similar. This is spot on, i too feel the hd650 is slightly more detailed then the hd600. The difference between a good recording and a bad recording dwarfs the difference between lossy and lossless, and the hd600 more so than the hd650 may end up changing your taste in music because it makes good recordings sound so good and bad recordings sound so bad. Are the sennheiser hd800s that much better than sennheiser. The 800s are analytic whereas the 600s are laid back. Based on the people who have described the difference with the mod im assuming the mod delivers more actual true detail rather than faux detail.
I dont think the hd800s is a real upgrade from the hd600650, the 600650 is more warmlush and the 800800s is more analytical. The hd650s are well known and liked among audiophiles. The hd650s provide outstanding sound quality and can be worn comfortably for hours on end. Today, i want to discuss the differences between then vs. After having the 650s for approximately 2 weeks, a few adjectives come to mind when describing the 650s. The audiophile hd 650 is the ultimate in open, dynamic headphone design. I originally worried for a moment that i was loosing high end in my hearing, but then realized that everything else sounded the same.
No traces of jitterinduced distortion are measurable to our measurement limits better than 150. Otherwise, if ultimate detail, impact, or intimacy are your goals, then dont stop for the hd650. Senn 555 with the 595 mod i was initially set on a pair of senn hd650 300 eur since you simply cannot go wrong with them, however while browsing i noticed the hd700 dropped in price to about 500 eur and now i wonder if it would be worth it to. Below a direct comparison between hd600, hd650 and hd660s but the vertical db scale is. The volume of the master 7 was a bit higher, so i corrected it between sessions. That sennheiser hd600 veil page 2 steve hoffman music. I can listen to any genre and enjoy it, and i probably will never upgrade. There are some who say there are no differences between the new and old. A widely criticized closed, dynamic studio monitoring headphone which has up to 32db attenuation to ambient noise due to the design of the ear cups and dampening material. Ive run a side by side comparison between akg 701, grado rs1 and hd650 and after that chose to purchase the hd600 i got a good deal, so it made sense over the hd650 wouldnt touch the 701s, they have no bass. To check out the dac in isolation, i connected the master 7 to the hdvd800s analog input and did a direct comparison to. Sennheiser hd650 the classic beauty in a grey dress appreciation thread. The biggest difference is how they feel once on your head.
Then you can show actual results and tell him what he did wrong and how another circuit nulls much deeper than his. I dont know what headphones you have heard but maybe you have a problem with your preamp or audio track. There was a time when the sennheiser hd 650 was the absolute best in the sennheiser lineup. I think there was a driver change at some point, maybe more than 1 driver change. Sennheiser hd650 the classic beauty in a grey dress appreciation. We also measure a more opensounding soundstage on the hd 650, but. The one bad point that i have is that they dont come with a carry case but if you are not planning on going out then this isnt a. The hd600 is similar to the hd650, but in a way its also different enough. Hd650 is more euphonic than the hd598 and more laid back. Bass sounds tight and dynamic and integrates seamlessly with the mids.
I owned a pair of hd650 for years they came with the silver driver and in a silver. The he400is use planar magnetic drivers, while the hd650s use your traditional dynamic driver. I have listened to the hd600s newer version, hd650 old and new version, and have also owned hd580s twice along with another hd600 at another time too and my overall favorite would be a tie between the new hd600 and the new hd650. Tone is different, hd650 has a wooden character, smoother, can handle busy cues without problem while the 600 blends them in comparison.
My hd600s sounded crazy bright for a long time after getting them but sound very balanced to my ears now. Apart from the colour scheme, there is no difference between the hd 599 and the hd 599se. Something just makes the hd650 more right with the wa2 then with the v200. Hence black driver versus silver driver terminology. Hd600hd650 driver versions i just read that the hd600 and hd650 underwent a minor change in the driver damping, where the material around the driver went from black to white, and that people are claiming that the sennheiser veil is finally gone thanks to the driver change, even with the hd650 which consensus says is darker than the predecessor. Not a striking difference at first listen, but definitely significant. Sennheiser hd650 vs hd700 vs beyerdynamic t1 hardforum. There are one or two touches but the hd650 was hardly justifying being the flagship. Can anybody tell me what the physical and sonic differences. The hd600 sounds more dynamic and sounds less bassy. There is a lot more treble emphasis some say too much from the 800s, making it a slightly cooler phone. The white felt material at the center, covering the driver butt is not the material im.
In the beginning of my headphone journey many many years ago, i had a listen to the sennheiser hd650, but i really couldnt like it, cause i thought the. Sennheiser hd650 love appreciation thread super best. But the silver cable brought out the highs in the 650s that some say seem veiled hate that term in reference to newer, silver driver senns without affecting any bass depth or impact. If a smooth sound is what you are looking, for then the hd650 might be the worlds best for you. You cant really go wrong with the hd650, it is a very well rounded headphone. So that you can get the difference between the three, we will make an indepth. After owning the hd650 for a few months, i really cant comprehend what happened. I have both sennehiser hd800 and akg k812 open air. I found a cheaper silver plated cable and even a lesser silver cable lower gauge to.
Might look at places other than amazon is theirs is old stock. But ive also heard that 600s are the better choice over hd650. The 600 has peak in the upper mid range the 650s are fairly flat through there. The difference is in the overall tonal quality, the accuracy of the instruments reproduced, the extra width and height and length of the perceived soundstage around your head which is an effect created.